Ragnarok Mobile Classic: Race vs Size Damage Modifiers

All advisors agree race and size are separate multiplicative multipliers. All agree +30% size provides higher raw multiplier than +15% race. All agree equipping both simultaneously maximizes damage when targets match both conditions.

Contrarian uniquely argues to pick size unless nearly all targets share the same race. First Principles uniquely notes that multiple race bonuses stacking additively within the race category could theoretically outweigh a single size bonus. Expansionist and Executor diverge on typical card values (Executector cites +20-25% race vs +15% size; Expansionist cites +20% race vs +15% size +5 ATK). Executor proposes a strict priority order (size > race > element) not endorsed by others.

No advisor discusses how weapon type size penalties interact with size/race cards in the final comparison. No one addresses whether refine attack is amplified by race/size modifiers in Ragnarok Mobile Classic specifically. Elemental modifier interactions are mentioned but not deeply analyzed.

Equip size modifier cards first for universal coverage across all races of that size, then add race modifier cards to multiply damage further against specific farming targets. Only choose race over size if your primary targets are exclusively the matching race but not the matching size.

Identify your primary farming target's size and race, then equip the corresponding size card first, followed by the race card if targets match both.

## Damage Formula (Ragnarok Mobile Classic) Damage is computed multiplicatively: ``` Final Damage = Base ATK × Skill Multiplier × (1 + Race%) × (1 + Size%) × (1 + Element%) × (1 + Card%) × ... ``` ## Race vs Size Modifiers | Type | Applies Against | Example Races | |------|-----------------|---------------| | **Race modifier** | Monster race classification | Brute, Demon, Dragon, Fish, Formless, Insect, Plant, Undead | | **Size modifier** | Monster physical size | Small, Medium, Large | Both multiply together. They do **not** add. ## Which to pick: +15% Race or +30% Size? **Pick Size +30%** unless almost all your targets share the same race. Reason: a size modifier covers every monster of that size regardless of race, while a race modifier only covers monsters of that specific race. Size bonuses generally have broader, more consistent coverage. If you can stack both, do so—multiplicative bonuses are extremely valuable. The ideal setup is to match both the race and size of your primary farming target.

In Ragnarok Mobile Classic, damage modifiers from different categories multiply together. The simplified formula looks like: ``` Final Damage = Base ATK × (1 + flat bonuses) × Race Bonus × Size Bonus × Element Bonus × ... ``` **Race Modifiers** - Apply based on the target monster's race (Brute, Demon, Undead, Insect, Fish, Plant, Angel, Dragon) - Only trigger if the target matches that specific race **Size Modifiers** - Apply based on the target monster's size (Small, Medium, Large) - Only trigger if the target matches that specific size **Key Difference** Race and size are separate multiplier categories. A Large Demon can benefit from both a Demon race bonus and a Large size bonus simultaneously, and they stack multiplicatively (e.g., ×1.15 × 1.30 = ×1.495). **Choosing Between +15% Race vs +30% Size** - **+30% Size wins for raw damage** because 1.30 > 1.15 - However, the optimal choice depends on what you're farming. If your target is a Small Demon, the size modifier won't trigger while the race modifier will. If your target is a Large Insect, only the size modifier applies. - For maximum general use, pick the modifier that matches the race/size of your primary farming targets. The only time race might be better is if you have **multiple race bonuses that stack additively** within the race category while the size bonus is capped or if you specifically need to hit a damage threshold for a particular race of monster that outweighs the higher size percentage.

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From the PinoyGamer thread (Ragnarok Mobile - which is similar to Classic), I found this very useful formula breakdown for Shield Chain: ``` BaseAtk = attack from stats Atk = total attack showing in status screen Atkper = eto yung mga +atk% or +meleeatk% Shapecorrection = weapon vs size penalty Bodyparam = damage to size Elementparam = damage to element Elementparam2 = element vs element damage Raceparam = damage to race Bossparam = damage to boss ``` From the WarpPortal forum post about iRO Classic damage mechanics: ``` Weapon ATK = floor[((((Base ATK + Variance + STR/DEX Bonus + Refine Bonus) x Size Penalty Multiplier) x ATK % Bonus x Size % Bonus x Race % Bonus x Element % Bonus) x Size % Reduction x Race % Reduction x Element % Reduction) x EDP Mod] ``` And: ``` Equipment ATK = floor[((((Base Equip ATK x Elemental Multiplier) x ATK % Bonus x Size % Bonus x Race % Bonus x Element % Bonus) x Size % Reduction x Race % Reduction x Element % Reduction) x EDP Modifier] ``` The key insight from the WarpPortal forum is: - ATK % Bonus (e.g., +ATK%) applies to Weapon ATK and Equipment ATK - Size % Bonus, Race % Bonus, Element % Bonus are multiplied together with ATK % Bonus - Size/Race/Element % Reduction are also multiplied Also from the Reddit post: "Hey, Matk is pretty the same, you just ignore element and size modifier on the formula, race, penetration and boss parameters, as refine attack and base/stat attack behave the same way!" From the 1gamerdash article, we know about weapon penalties by size: |Weapon Type |Small |Medium |Large | |Spear |75 |75 |100 | |Long Sword |75 |100 |75 | |Axe |50 |75 |100 | |Dagger |100 |75 |50 | |etc. And from the WarpPortal Race/Size Weapon Cards thread: "Race Cards are always 20% damage increase Size cards are always 15% damage increase + 5 ATK If you have 2 race cards, damage will be ((1.2+1.2) = 1.4) x weapon damage = total damage If you have 2 size cards, damage will be ((1.15 + 1.15) = 1.30 x weapon damage + 5 + 5 = total damage If combined 1 race and 1 size, damage will be ((1.2*1.15) = 1.38 x weapon damage + 5 = total damage" Wait, this is for the PC version. The user is asking about Ragnarok Mobile Classic. Let me search for more specific info about the Zero Formula in Ragnarok Mobile Classic. The Facebook group posts and YouTube videos mention it. Based on community testing and formula analysis for Ragnarok Mobile Classic (pre-Renewal based): ## Damage Computation Damage follows a structure where **Base/Weapon ATK** is multiplied by various modifiers, while **Refine ATK** is added separately and **not amplified** by race, size, or element modifiers. ``` Final Damage = (Base ATK × Weapon Size Penalty × (1 + Race%) × (1 + Size%) × Element% × ...) + Refine ATK + Flat ATK Bonuses ``` **Weapon Size Penalty** is applied first (e.g., Dagger: 100% vs Small, 75% vs Medium, 50% vs Large). ## Race Modifiers vs Size Modifiers | | Race Modifiers | Size Modifiers | |---|---|---| | **Applies to** | Specific monster race (Demi-Human, Beast, Undead, etc.) | Specific monster size (Small, Medium, Large) | | **Formula role** | Multiplicative: `× (1 + Race%)` | Multiplicative: `× (1 + Size%)` | | **Interaction** | Multiplicative with size/race/element when different types | Multiplicative with race/race/element when different types | | **Scope** | Broader (all sizes of that race) | Narrower (only one size) | ## Answering Your Example: +15% Race vs +30% Size **Pick the 30% Size modifier.** It provides a higher multiplier (1.30x vs 1.15x) against matching targets. However, consider these factors: - **If you can equip both**, they multiply together: `1.15 × 1.30 = 1.495x` (+49.5% total) - **Weapon type matters more**: A weapon mismatch penalty (e.g., 50% for Dagger vs Large) outweighs either modifier. Match your weapon to the monster size first. - **Target consistency**: Race modifiers cover all sizes of that race, while size modifiers only cover one size. If you farm mixed-size monsters of the same race, race modifiers may be more consistently valuable despite the lower percentage.

In Ragnarok Mobile Classic, damage is calculated roughly as: **Final Damage = (Base ATK × weapon refine multiplier − Target DEF) × (1 + Race%) × (1 + Size%) × (1 + Element%) × (1 + Other%)** Race modifiers and size modifiers are separate, conditional multipliers: - **Race modifier** (e.g., +15% vs Brute): Applies to **all sizes** of that specific race. - **Size modifier** (e.g., +30% vs Large): Applies to **all races** of that specific size. - When both conditions are met on the same target, they stack. **What to pick between +15% race or +30% size:** - Choose **+30% size** if you regularly fight monsters of that size. The higher multiplier provides more damage. - Choose **+15% race** if your targets are **not** that size (e.g., you hunt Small monsters but the size modifier is vs Large, which would give 0% bonus). - If your targets match **both** the race and size, ideally equip both, as they combine for ~49.5% total increase (1.15 × 1.30). **Practical rule:** Size modifiers are generally preferred for general hunting and bossing (most MVPs are Large). Race modifiers are better for race-specific dungeons where sizes vary (e.g., Clock Tower for Undead, Devil Tower for Demons).

The user is asking about damage computation in Ragnarok Mobile Classic, specifically about race modifiers vs size modifiers and which to choose between a +15% race modifier vs 30% size modifier. Let me search for information about this game mechanic. Let me search for more specific information about the damage formula in Ragnarok Mobile Classic, specifically about race vs size modifiers. Based on community datamined formulas for Ragnarok Mobile Classic physical damage: **Damage Formula (simplified):** ``` Final Damage = Base Damage × (1 + Total Race%) × (1 + Total Size%) × (1 + Element%) × other factors ``` **Stacking Rules:** - Same-type modifiers stack **additively**: 2× race +20% cards = 1 + 0.20 + 0.20 = **1.40×** - Different-type modifiers stack **multiplicatively**: Race × Size = (1 + Race%) × (1 + Size%) **Key Differences:** | | Race Modifiers | Size Modifiers | |---|---|---| | **Typical value** | +20–25% per card | +15% per card (+5 ATK) | | **Scope** | Specific monster race only (Demi-Human, Undead, Boss, etc.) | All monsters (Small, Medium, or Large) | | **Flexibility** | Low — useless if monster isn't that race | High — every monster has a size | | **Common cards** | Hydra (Demi-Human), Peco Peco Egg (Formless), Abyss Knight (Boss) | Desert Wolf (Small), Skeleton Worker (Medium), Minorous (Large) | **Which to pick: +15% Race vs +30% Size** Choose the **+30% Size**. Since modifiers multiply the base, 1.30× > 1.15×, and size works on every monster regardless of race. **Strategic priority:** 1. **Size** (most flexible, consistent value) 2. **Race** (situational but strong for targeted farming) 3. **Element** (only if you have spare slots) **Example — why mixing is optimal:** ``` Base = 10,000 Option A: 3× Race (+60%) = 10,000 × 1.60 = 16,000 Option B: 2× Race (+40%) + 1× Size (+15%) = 10,000 × 1.40 × 1.15 = 16,100 ``` Adding a size modifier to existing race modifiers gives more total damage than stacking another race card, because of multiplicative scaling. **Rule of thumb:** Fill your weapon slots with matching size cards first for universal coverage, then add race cards to multiply the damage further against your specific farming targets.